Comments on: The iCommons is a network http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/ Emerging virtual education comments and links Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:19:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: iCommons » Blog Archive » IRC Meeting: Discuss the future of iCommons http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/comment-page-1/#comment-21632 iCommons » Blog Archive » IRC Meeting: Discuss the future of iCommons Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:15:06 +0000 http://goldenswamp.com/?p=757#comment-21632 [...] There has been some great debate about the governance of iCommons, in particular the articles by Tom Chance from Remix Reading and Free Culture U.K.; Judy Breck from goldenswamp.com and Becky Hogge from OpenDemocracy. [...] [...] There has been some great debate about the governance of iCommons, in particular the articles by Tom Chance from Remix Reading and Free Culture U.K.; Judy Breck from goldenswamp.com and Becky Hogge from OpenDemocracy. [...]

]]> By: Eve Gray http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/comment-page-1/#comment-3443 Eve Gray Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:31:29 +0000 http://goldenswamp.com/?p=757#comment-3443 In response to Gilberto Gil's challenge to us at the iCommons Summit to learn to 'connect the differences', I would like to suggest that we take a look at the similarities between the networked structure described here by Judy and the functioning of pre-colonial societies in my part of the world: the south-east coast of South Africa. The history of colonial conquest in this region is a familiar one of political and social structures being radically altered or destroyed by colonists whose frame of reference could not extend beyond the hierarchical structure of the nation state. There are lessons for us in this history, I suspect and not dissimilar (if less dramatic) risks if we approach the idea of a network in a similar state of incomprehension. Such a comparison could also provide the foundation for very interesting learning materials, leading students to understand just how much our imaginations are constrained by received patterns of thought in our own communities. This is also a challenge to XXX above, who claims that the Commons is not global - I certainly don't see it that way from this remote corner of the developing world. If you are intrested, I have spelled out this argument in more detail in my blog at http://blogs.uct.ac.za/blog/gray_area In response to Gilberto Gil’s challenge to us at the iCommons Summit to learn to ‘connect the differences’, I would like to suggest that we take a look at the similarities between the networked structure described here by Judy and the functioning of pre-colonial societies in my part of the world: the south-east coast of South Africa. The history of colonial conquest in this region is a familiar one of political and social structures being radically altered or destroyed by colonists whose frame of reference could not extend beyond the hierarchical structure of the nation state. There are lessons for us in this history, I suspect and not dissimilar (if less dramatic) risks if we approach the idea of a network in a similar state of incomprehension. Such a comparison could also provide the foundation for very interesting learning materials, leading students to understand just how much our imaginations are constrained by received patterns of thought in our own communities.
This is also a challenge to XXX above, who claims that the Commons is not global – I certainly don’t see it that way from this remote corner of the developing world.
If you are intrested, I have spelled out this argument in more detail in my blog at http://blogs.uct.ac.za/blog/gray_area

]]> By: Judy Breck http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/comment-page-1/#comment-3410 Judy Breck Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:25:10 +0000 http://goldenswamp.com/?p=757#comment-3410 My main purpose in this post, which I also included as a response on the iCommons conversation, was to make a positive statement about the way iCommons has been established. I have no background or stake in the iCommons, and am essentially just and observer. If iCommons follows the form that the free software movement has, that seems to me a good thing. The iCommons is different from the software movement because the software movement networked ideas primarily, not people. (I'm splitting hairs perhaps.) I do stand by the idea that iCommons is a first grand experiment, and I hope very much that it will become truly global in fulfillment, as well as it is now in intent. My main purpose in this post, which I also included as a response on the iCommons conversation, was to make a positive statement about the way iCommons has been established. I have no background or stake in the iCommons, and am essentially just and observer.

If iCommons follows the form that the free software movement has, that seems to me a good thing. The iCommons is different from the software movement because the software movement networked ideas primarily, not people. (I’m splitting hairs perhaps.) I do stand by the idea that iCommons is a first grand experiment, and I hope very much that it will become truly global in fulfillment, as well as it is now in intent.

]]> By: xxx http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/comment-page-1/#comment-3406 xxx Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:48:06 +0000 http://goldenswamp.com/?p=757#comment-3406 "The iCommons can be seen as a first grand experiment of a global network toward a shared purpose. Obviously that purpose has to open for the network to function, and the purpose of opening cultures seems ideal to me for this grand experiment." not true. 1. is not the first (is not the free software movement a global network toward a shared purpose?) 2. It's not global, it's mainly (and controlled by) US and Europe. “The iCommons can be seen as a first grand experiment of a global network toward a shared purpose. Obviously that purpose has to open for the network to function, and the purpose of opening cultures seems ideal to me for this grand experiment.”

not true. 1. is not the first (is not the free software movement a global network toward a shared purpose?) 2. It’s not global, it’s mainly (and controlled by) US and Europe.

]]> By: Mathias Klang http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/12/the-icommons-is-a-network/comment-page-1/#comment-3324 Mathias Klang Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:08:12 +0000 http://goldenswamp.com/?p=757#comment-3324 Check out my reply at http://www.ituniv.se/~klang/wrote/2006/07/12/the-missing-ideology-of-creative-commons/ Check out my reply at http://www.ituniv.se/~klang/wrote/2006/07/12/the-missing-ideology-of-creative-commons/

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