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		<title>By: Judy Breck</title>
		<link>http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/08/nikon-beauty-and-textbook-correctness/comment-page-1/#comment-3282</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Breck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right: 10px; display:block; width:50px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://judybreck.com/'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/5de7b6cbce2aeb05f0c7220a75654bcf?s=50&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fgoldenswamp.com%2Fdefault-avatar.jpg%3Fs%3D50&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' /></a></span>Stephen, you are never the red herring source or chaser — and I did not mean to imply that in any way. I agree with the analysis in your comments above and learn from it. </p>
<p>I am convinced that the network mechanisms of the open Internet inevitably will force a competitiveness that serves up a choice of the finest content for a subject from every kind of source. That can already happen when students are allowed to use the unblocked Internet. In an article I wrote for Educational Technology Magazine (coming in the next issue) I begin with an example of this. The same 3 websites routinely show up at the top of the list on Google when you search for “table of elements.” The sources are: Los Alamos Laboratory (government), University of Sheffield (education), and a website that started as Yinton Bentor’s 8th grade science project 10 years ago (student).</p>
<p>PS: Your coolpix affirmation is great. The quality of the pictures I get from mine is wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/08/nikon-beauty-and-textbook-correctness/comment-page-1/#comment-3281</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see this as a red herring. I have argued consistently that commercial content and non-commercial content need to be equally accessible.

Promoters of commercial content try at every juncture to keep non-commercial content out of the marketplace. This is because for-profit content for profit cannot compete with free content.

You may say, the commercial content is free content. And it is true, the Nikon content is provided without charge to the students. But it is nonetheless for-profit. It is intended to sway students, at a minimum, toward brand loyalty, and more generally, toward purchasing cameras.

The &#039;Nikon sucks&#039; example is probably an exaggeration, but again, a Nikon-sponsored site on photography would not be as attractive as an equally well-produced site which is not affiliated with any company. An independent review site produced by a government or a university, for example. Or by students.

Nikon - or agents operating along the same general principles as Nikon - will immediately seek to eliminate this site from the competition. &quot;The government is wasting money duplicating resources,&quot; they would argue.

Or if it is student produced: &quot;The students are not accountable,&quot; say the lobbyists. &quot;They post inappropriate content. They leave the school open to lawsuits.&quot;

This is not a red herring. Look at Channel One, the commerial news service shown in classrooms. The presentation of the news (not to mention the advertisements) is not benign. It is a controlled voice, a controlled message.

Why, one asks, could the school students themselves not produce their own Channel One? What chance has this of happening in any school already subscribed to the service?

Let me be clear. I am not opposed to commercially sponsored educational content. Indeed, as has been correctly pointed out, I have spoken of this and endorsed this in the past. It is an excellent way of meeting educational needs.

But I am at the same time aware of the risks. When a student is suspended from school for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke day - as has actually happened - then the opportunities offered by free learning have turned into corporate control.

Yes, corporations may have less incentive to contribute under such conditions. They would like to co ntrol the message. Or at best, they don&#039;t care whether or not students and others have equal access. But they&#039;ll contribute nonetheless; there is incentive enough. Because their competition will be there.

Indeed, the smart corporations will turn this to their advantage. Once they give up the idea of controlling the message, they will learn to help schools help their students and others make their own message. Look at what Lego is doing that with its Mindstorms project, opening up the source and allowing students to hack the system. Contrast that with Microsoft, which responds to attempts to play non-compliant content on the Xbox with threats of lawsuits.

When we open the schools to corporate content, we need to ensure that we open the schools equally to other points of view, including those of the students. Freedom of speech is something with which schools have difficulty. They will need to learn to adapt.

p.s. My Coolpix 4300 has been with me since 2003. I haven&#039;t really treated it well, taking pictures in the rain, at -40 degrees, in the Australian desert, passed around in pubs... it has never broken down and still delivers very sharp high quality pictures, good enough to print and frame and post on my office wall. But yes, I see a D200 or some such in my future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right: 10px; display:block; width:50px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://www.downes.ca'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/4611f83b6c5b6360f5f75084e9ee1919?s=50&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fgoldenswamp.com%2Fdefault-avatar.jpg%3Fs%3D50&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' /></a></span>I don&#8217;t see this as a red herring. I have argued consistently that commercial content and non-commercial content need to be equally accessible.</p>
<p>Promoters of commercial content try at every juncture to keep non-commercial content out of the marketplace. This is because for-profit content for profit cannot compete with free content.</p>
<p>You may say, the commercial content is free content. And it is true, the Nikon content is provided without charge to the students. But it is nonetheless for-profit. It is intended to sway students, at a minimum, toward brand loyalty, and more generally, toward purchasing cameras.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Nikon sucks&#8217; example is probably an exaggeration, but again, a Nikon-sponsored site on photography would not be as attractive as an equally well-produced site which is not affiliated with any company. An independent review site produced by a government or a university, for example. Or by students.</p>
<p>Nikon &#8211; or agents operating along the same general principles as Nikon &#8211; will immediately seek to eliminate this site from the competition. &#8220;The government is wasting money duplicating resources,&#8221; they would argue.</p>
<p>Or if it is student produced: &#8220;The students are not accountable,&#8221; say the lobbyists. &#8220;They post inappropriate content. They leave the school open to lawsuits.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not a red herring. Look at Channel One, the commerial news service shown in classrooms. The presentation of the news (not to mention the advertisements) is not benign. It is a controlled voice, a controlled message.</p>
<p>Why, one asks, could the school students themselves not produce their own Channel One? What chance has this of happening in any school already subscribed to the service?</p>
<p>Let me be clear. I am not opposed to commercially sponsored educational content. Indeed, as has been correctly pointed out, I have spoken of this and endorsed this in the past. It is an excellent way of meeting educational needs.</p>
<p>But I am at the same time aware of the risks. When a student is suspended from school for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke day &#8211; as has actually happened &#8211; then the opportunities offered by free learning have turned into corporate control.</p>
<p>Yes, corporations may have less incentive to contribute under such conditions. They would like to co ntrol the message. Or at best, they don&#8217;t care whether or not students and others have equal access. But they&#8217;ll contribute nonetheless; there is incentive enough. Because their competition will be there.</p>
<p>Indeed, the smart corporations will turn this to their advantage. Once they give up the idea of controlling the message, they will learn to help schools help their students and others make their own message. Look at what Lego is doing that with its Mindstorms project, opening up the source and allowing students to hack the system. Contrast that with Microsoft, which responds to attempts to play non-compliant content on the Xbox with threats of lawsuits.</p>
<p>When we open the schools to corporate content, we need to ensure that we open the schools equally to other points of view, including those of the students. Freedom of speech is something with which schools have difficulty. They will need to learn to adapt.</p>
<p>p.s. My Coolpix 4300 has been with me since 2003. I haven&#8217;t really treated it well, taking pictures in the rain, at -40 degrees, in the Australian desert, passed around in pubs&#8230; it has never broken down and still delivers very sharp high quality pictures, good enough to print and frame and post on my office wall. But yes, I see a D200 or some such in my future.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Breck</title>
		<link>http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/08/nikon-beauty-and-textbook-correctness/comment-page-1/#comment-3272</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Breck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right: 10px; display:block; width:50px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://judybreck.com/'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/5de7b6cbce2aeb05f0c7220a75654bcf?s=50&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fgoldenswamp.com%2Fdefault-avatar.jpg%3Fs%3D50&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' /></a></span>If students were not shackled from looking at any site they wanted to, experts across the commercial board would be encouraged to create high-quality materials to attract students. If, for example, a report assigned to middle-schoolers required them to describe and illustrate superior scientific photography, they would be attracted to sites like my Nikon example. Competitive companies would have a reason to vie for student attention — to attract kids as students.</p>
<p>The ‘Nikon Sucks’ page on the school server seems like a different topic, don’t you think. The best of possible worlds in my (too purist?) view is that the schools should not be the police force for servers; the online world should be open for us all, including our children. That means kids have to learn to stay out of trouble, which is yet another subject.</p>
<p>I don’t mean to be simplistic here, Stephen, though I am sure I seem so. But there are so many, many red herrings that keep public awareness away from the fabulous learning open content that abounds online — and that diminish the incentives of deep commercial pockets to create great learning stuff. You have said many things supportive of this general concept, and I respect your leadership in the field.</p>
<p>PS: Nikons yes! I bought a Nikon F in about 1965 – and in 3 decades it never took a bad picture. All I have now is a coolpix II (which is terrific). I covet a D200.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://www.goldenswamp.com/2006/07/08/nikon-beauty-and-textbook-correctness/comment-page-1/#comment-3270</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, this site is no problem - however, things get trickier when we start asking about sites that criticize the products. Should students be allowed access to a &#039;Nikon Sucks&#039; page? Should they be allowed to create one and store it on the school server? How about anti-commercial advocacy sites, like AdBusters?

The problem is, without this balance, then the only messages students see are those posted by companies like Nikon, and this creates a commercial bias in their learning materials. And it is not clear that schools are willing to allow more open content posting - notice that sites like Blogger and MySpace are already banned by most schools. And think about the sorts of legal pressures large companies like Nikon can place on schools over the posting of critical comments, images, or even the name &#039;Nikon&#039;.

So it&#039;s not quite so simple as opening the door. Opening the door is kind of like letting a bull elephant into the playground. Yes, kids love elephants. But there are risks.

p.s. Just for the record, I really like Nikon cameras, I own one now, and my next purchase will be a Nikon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right: 10px; display:block; width:50px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://www.downes.ca'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/4611f83b6c5b6360f5f75084e9ee1919?s=50&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fgoldenswamp.com%2Fdefault-avatar.jpg%3Fs%3D50&amp;r=G' class='avatar avatar-50 photo' height='50' width='50' /></a></span>Sure, this site is no problem &#8211; however, things get trickier when we start asking about sites that criticize the products. Should students be allowed access to a &#8216;Nikon Sucks&#8217; page? Should they be allowed to create one and store it on the school server? How about anti-commercial advocacy sites, like AdBusters?</p>
<p>The problem is, without this balance, then the only messages students see are those posted by companies like Nikon, and this creates a commercial bias in their learning materials. And it is not clear that schools are willing to allow more open content posting &#8211; notice that sites like Blogger and MySpace are already banned by most schools. And think about the sorts of legal pressures large companies like Nikon can place on schools over the posting of critical comments, images, or even the name &#8216;Nikon&#8217;.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not quite so simple as opening the door. Opening the door is kind of like letting a bull elephant into the playground. Yes, kids love elephants. But there are risks.</p>
<p>p.s. Just for the record, I really like Nikon cameras, I own one now, and my next purchase will be a Nikon.</p>
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